If real artists ‘can’t do this,’ why did the AI need millions of them to train?
Banning AI Art
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39824 39825 sinmax said:
If real artists ‘can’t do this,’ why did the AI need millions of them to train?
Show me the art real artists made that is of the same or better quality? You can't. Real artists can't get the shading and details right. It's too difficult for humans. AI is already better than the very best of them. Doesn't matter whether AI was trained using real artists. Every real artist trained and learned from other artists' art as well. Whether that's done consciously or unconsciously doesn't matter.
39827 crsnk said:
sinmax said:
If real artists ‘can’t do this,’ why did the AI need millions of them to train?
Show me the art real artists made that is of the same or better quality? You can't. Real artists can't get the shading and details right. It's too difficult for humans. AI is already better than the very best of them. Doesn't matter whether AI was trained using real artists. Every real artist trained and learned from other artists' art as well. Whether that's done consciously or unconsciously doesn't matter.
Cool, why are you here?
Is there a reason that AI Art as a tag is still allowed? Its been popping up in my subscription feed more often now. Seems like anyone that tags their uploads with AI Art should get an instant temporary ban and then a permanent ban if they continue after
39832 crsnk said:
ray289 said:
I mean stuff you shared aren't good, its alright at best. AI barely mimics real artists and not even good at it, what its good at is its speed, as it can generate mediocre stuff quickly.
immrr said:
crsnk said:
horrible decision. this website is unusable to me now. AI art is amazing, far better than the best human artists. It already had a special tag and was unselected by default so no one got to see it unless actively seeking it out. You trying to convince me stuff like this or this or this holds no value and couldn't be made into a great wallpaper? That there's better 'quality' art on your website? No, there isn't.
the stuff you shared are so bad
Cope harder. Real artists haven't come close to this level of quality in the past 30 years. Also yes, there's even better AI art out there. A lot of it. Even the best artists can't get shading right the way AI can. You really want to die on the hill that this couldn't be a great wallpaper? Or that this and this is mediocre art? People have eyes. Real artists couldn't create art on this level in the past 30 years and they can't now. I've been into anime & waifu art for a long time. I know. But more importantly, anyone with eyes can see. Here's some more from a quick scroll through twitter. There's an endless supply of great art, even if you're not into waifus but something else. Look for it yourself, my links are about waifus. https://x.com/munou_ac/status/1985498979824509109 https://x.com/AiartYasshy/status/2005601793313767504 https://x.com/sword78k/status/2006144922097766722 https://x.com/lumen_na/status/2006198637420810319 https://x.com/ixxxmiraxxxi/status/2006323861818913058 https://x.com/Colin_ni2/status/2006284736126480454 https://x.com/suisuilife_77/status/2005843374549393546
Can't tell if you are being serious or not HAHAHA. And if you are being serious generating such image is so easy you should just generate them by yourself at this point no need for this site you know? lmao
39833 crsnk said:
sinmax said:
If real artists ‘can’t do this,’ why did the AI need millions of them to train?
Show me the art real artists made that is of the same or better quality? You can't. Real artists can't get the shading and details right. It's too difficult for humans. AI is already better than the very best of them. Doesn't matter whether AI was trained using real artists. Every real artist trained and learned from other artists' art as well. Whether that's done consciously or unconsciously doesn't matter.
“Show me human art as good as this.” Okay, Show me a single human who can roll the dice a million times per image.
You’re not comparing skill, you’re comparing selection bias. Of course the best 0.001% of AI outputs look insane, the trash is invisible.
“Shading is too difficult for humans”
Humans have mastered:
- chiaroscuro (Da Vinci, Caravaggio)
- subsurface scattering (oil painters centuries ago)
- cinematic lighting (modern illustrators, animators, VFX artists)
- anime-specific lighting pipelines (key light + rim + gradient mapping)
AI shading looks good because:
- it exaggerates contrast
- it ignores physical consistency
- it smooths everything into visual candy that’s not better shading. that’s just stylized cheating.
If AI is already better than the best humans, why does every ‘great’ AI image collapse without human curation, prompting, filtering, rerolling, and selection?
If it were truly superior: -raw outputs would be consistently elite -prompting wouldn’t matter
- cherry-picking wouldn’t be required But it does. Every time.
AI didn’t surpass artist, it parasites their solutions, rolls the dice millions of times, and shows you the best accidents. If humans “couldn’t do this,” there’d be nothing for the model to learn. What you’re impressed by isn’t skil it’s selection bias, smoothing.
39834 I think the issue is the amount of AI. If you allow AI, you become an AI site. Japan opens up immigration, they become Chinese over night.
Artists like "End of Line" have heavily edited ai images that look great and are a sad casualty of the ban, but I get it.
39840 Seems to me you could just have a button the same way you have the NSFW button. Click the AI button if you don't want to see AI. Let the choice be by the consumer. It just seems like a win/win to me. That is just my two cents.
39842 crsnk said:
sinmax said:
If real artists ‘can’t do this,’ why did the AI need millions of them to train?
Show me the art real artists made that is of the same or better quality? You can't. Real artists can't get the shading and details right. It's too difficult for humans. AI is already better than the very best of them. Doesn't matter whether AI was trained using real artists. Every real artist trained and learned from other artists' art as well. Whether that's done consciously or unconsciously doesn't matter.
What a load of nonsense. AI can't even draw a hand without six fingers half of the time.
39843 jbradprice said:
Seems to me you could just have a button the same way you have the NSFW button. Click the AI button if you don't want to see AI. Let the choice be by the consumer. It just seems like a win/win to me. That is just my two cents.
Why not go to the sites that allow it? Is it because it all becomes garbage?
39844 muck3 said:
What a load of nonsense. AI can't even draw a hand without six fingers half of the time.
none of the links I posted on page 10 had 6 fingers, you're behind the times.
sinmax said:
---lots of nonsense--- If it were truly superior: -raw outputs would be consistently elite -prompting wouldn’t matter cherry-picking wouldn’t be required But it does. Every time. AI didn’t surpass artist, it parasites their solutions, rolls the dice millions of times, and shows you the best accidents.
Just like every artist only produces masterpieces and never sketches that land in the trash bin... Nevermind AI art, you have no clue about human artists at all.
https://x.com/Melocoton_7373/status/2007799174298014156 https://x.com/sword78k/status/2008111104002842987 https://x.com/sword78k/status/2008060375309393979 https://x.com/AIGondora/status/2007844387934650815 https://x.com/Haruka1425054/status/2007725781016031747 https://x.com/MeritPopins/status/2007769224563896678 You're missing out on some beautiful art just because you want to virtue signal and become the next generation of luddites. Truly facepalm worthy behavior.
Larrikin said:
jbradprice said: Why not go to the sites that allow it? Is it because it all becomes garbage?
Which sites offer similar with AI art allowed? I used this site because I can filter by aspect ratio, resolution (including 'at least' setting) and then SFW, NSFW and various tags all at the same time.
39849 crsnk said:
muck3 said:
What a load of nonsense. AI can't even draw a hand without six fingers half of the time.
none of the links I posted on page 10 had 6 fingers, you're behind the times.
sinmax said:
---lots of nonsense--- If it were truly superior: -raw outputs would be consistently elite -prompting wouldn’t matter cherry-picking wouldn’t be required But it does. Every time. AI didn’t surpass artist, it parasites their solutions, rolls the dice millions of times, and shows you the best accidents.
Just like every artist only produces masterpieces and never sketches that land in the trash bin... Nevermind AI art, you have no clue about human artists at all.
https://x.com/Melocoton_7373/status/2007799174298014156 https://x.com/sword78k/status/2008111104002842987 https://x.com/sword78k/status/2008060375309393979 https://x.com/AIGondora/status/2007844387934650815 https://x.com/Haruka1425054/status/2007725781016031747 https://x.com/MeritPopins/status/2007769224563896678 You're missing out on some beautiful art just because you want to virtue signal and become the next generation of luddites. Truly facepalm worthy behavior.
Larrikin said:
jbradprice said: Why not go to the sites that allow it? Is it because it all becomes garbage?
Which sites offer similar with AI art allowed? I used this site because I can filter by aspect ratio, resolution (including 'at least' setting) and then SFW, NSFW and various tags all at the same time.
Generate your own thirst trap waifu images bro since you love them so much you can learn how to do that.
Surely AI can be used to enhance artistic output of current gen artists, but just generating image mindlessly then calling it art isn't right and it shouldn't fill every corner of internet since these are so easy to generate at fingertips.
You might wanna explore outside world with open minded view, if you are genuinely finding them so beautiful that you gotta defend them so hard, I'm kinda concerned about you bro
39859 AI can create content and images, but it can't create art. Art is exclusively a human thing.
39860 SuperBenu said:
AI can create content and images, but it can't create art. Art is exclusively a human thing.
Agreed. Wallhaven is a wallpaper site, not an 'art' site so it's even more ridiculous that AI is banned. Wallpaper doesn't have to be 'art'
39870 Randomuser2025 said:
SuperBenu said:
AI can create content and images, but it can't create art. Art is exclusively a human thing.
Agreed. Wallhaven is a wallpaper site, not an 'art' site so it's even more ridiculous that AI is banned. Wallpaper doesn't have to be 'art'
That I agree. But owner don't want AI art here. Somehow there is 30,000+ AI wallpaper here though, what are we even arguing about lmao
39876 I believe the current trend of AI development is unstoppable and is moving in a positive direction. Rather than a complete ban, it's better to control its scope and strictly prohibit AI-generated works from being confused with reality and original content. For example, wallpapers could be categorized with a separate tag and strictly managed, incorporating both AI and human review processes (this is somewhat idealistic, but adding AI tags is more realistic, like your ineffective R18 age verification; the effectiveness of AI review will depend on future developments). Apologies for the machine translation.
39887 I guess they got lazy to delete the AI wallpapers, however I do not want to see any new ones :)
39888 Kiwo said:
I guess they got lazy to delete the AI wallpapers, however I do not want to see any new ones :)
It's so when people ask "Why is AI art banned?" we can point to the enormous pile of trash they put on the site.
39897 It's not laziness, it's just there's no simple way to mass delete wallpapers like that.
39905 Made an account just to thank you for this choice
39930 Great decision! I hate that I have to put in -AI into everything just to avoid most of this trash.
39946 I'm a new user to this site, and the biggest reason I am sticking around is the ban on AI-generated images. It shows that the people who run this place are decent folk, not caving to this horrible trend, and willing to put up with those who think AI-generated images belong on the same level as even the worst of human-produced art. I used to just go to Google and try to find new wallpapers, and it was a disheartening mess as every other site is stuffed full of AI nonsense.
To everybody who says things like "Don't ban AI, just add a filter" or the much worse "AI is better at art than humans," I feel genuinely saddened and sorry for you. Please just spend some time thinking about this critically. Read any one of the myriad cyberpunk and sci-fi novels that have been explaining this extremely basic concept for a century: handing our souls over to machines is a pretty bad and dumb decision.
AI "art" is always dogshit and doesn't belong here or anywhere that hosts actual human-created art in any capacity. It doesn't matter how "perfect" the shading is or how many technical details of the image are "correct" compared to real art. It never will. What you think of as errors or lack of perfection in art are what makes it worthwhile. If you don't get that, maybe you should be banned from this site too.
You can go enjoy the Torment Nexus, but this little haven deserves to exist the way it is now. You can find your gross little pictures everywhere else. I will forever applaud the mods here for this decision.
39972 Good sending my love to the mod team
39973 Thank you!
39982 crsnk said:
sinmax said:
If real artists ‘can’t do this,’ why did the AI need millions of them to train?
Show me the art real artists made that is of the same or better quality? You can't. Real artists can't get the shading and details right. It's too difficult for humans. AI is already better than the very best of them. Doesn't matter whether AI was trained using real artists. Every real artist trained and learned from other artists' art as well. Whether that's done consciously or unconsciously doesn't matter.
I'm sorry but this is either trolling / ragebait. If you think "human artist arent capable of getting the details right becaue its too complicated for humans", that just admittin that the way you consume media is so shallow and limited, that a piece of software that just imitates human art, appears to you as superior. If you think AI is already better than humans, you probably havent really interacted with any art in any meaningful capacity, that would have helped you to develop the capacty and criteria to evaluate what is good or bad art. You just see something that looks shiny and pretty and assumed thats the top of artistic creation... Come on.
Because no matter what you think, Ai will only be, at its best, able to create a copy of what it scanned in the past. It might be a different version, it migh be modified, but the quality level cant be surpassed.
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crsnk said:
ray289 said:
I mean stuff you shared aren't good, its alright at best. AI barely mimics real artists and not even good at it, what its good at is its speed, as it can generate mediocre stuff quickly.
immrr said:
crsnk said:
horrible decision. this website is unusable to me now. AI art is amazing, far better than the best human artists. It already had a special tag and was unselected by default so no one got to see it unless actively seeking it out. You trying to convince me stuff like this or this or this holds no value and couldn't be made into a great wallpaper? That there's better 'quality' art on your website? No, there isn't.
the stuff you shared are so bad
Cope harder. Real artists haven't come close to this level of quality in the past 30 years. Also yes, there's even better AI art out there. A lot of it. Even the best artists can't get shading right the way AI can. You really want to die on the hill that this couldn't be a great wallpaper? Or that this and this is mediocre art? People have eyes. Real artists couldn't create art on this level in the past 30 years and they can't now. I've been into anime & waifu art for a long time. I know. But more importantly, anyone with eyes can see. Here's some more from a quick scroll through twitter. There's an endless supply of great art, even if you're not into waifus but something else. Look for it yourself, my links are about waifus. https://x.com/munou_ac/status/1985498979824509109 https://x.com/AiartYasshy/status/2005601793313767504 https://x.com/sword78k/status/2006144922097766722 https://x.com/lumen_na/status/2006198637420810319 https://x.com/ixxxmiraxxxi/status/2006323861818913058 https://x.com/Colin_ni2/status/2006284736126480454 https://x.com/suisuilife_77/status/2005843374549393546
I've literally seen and retweeted real human art, made before 2020, that looked like that or better. Funny enough, some of the ones i saw probably are the ones AI scanned to generate those that you linked...
Again, you're literally trying to convince people that AI is better at art, by showing them that what you consider "good AI art" is just examples of the AI generated image looking as close as possible to what a human artist made years ago.
Like sure, its a cool technological show off. But in terms of practical use, its just oversaturating the internet with variables quality versions of already existing art, to a point that it makes it difficult to find and support good and genuine art made by real artist. Even if we ignore the copyright and author rights infringment for economic profit, and all the other factors, just the fact that it makes it harde to find human made content online, is a good reason to ban it here.
Wasn't it the point of gen AI that you could make your own art while lacking any skills or will to try? Then why the necessity to post it online? Let others generate their own AI images that will be more personally tailored to their wants, and leave the online forums that were created to share content made by and for humans, free of that saturation of AI content.
We don't even need to agree about what art is better or whatnot, just in terms of practicality, banning AI generated images here makes total practical sense. If you came here specifically for the AI images, then this probably isnt the place you want, and there are other forums and repositorys of AI gen images that will cater to your needs much better.
39988 crsnk said:
sinmax said:
If real artists ‘can’t do this,’ why did the AI need millions of them to train?
Show me the art real artists made that is of the same or better quality? You can't. Real artists can't get the shading and details right. It's too difficult for humans. AI is already better than the very best of them. Doesn't matter whether AI was trained using real artists. Every real artist trained and learned from other artists' art as well. Whether that's done consciously or unconsciously doesn't matter.
I've been drawing since I could finger paint and with you saying this hurts me cause us artists put in years and years of hard work everyday to study how to draw or color specific things so that we can learn how to make great art AI is not helping its just putting us down and we hate it
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